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[Help!] Skip UAC Running ZTW (Admin)?

June 8, 2019, 3:32 pm
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Reply from Steven James, Jun 08,2019 at 22:32:

> > 4) No, I have not used Task Scheduler to whitelist ZTW (although I
> have used
> > that method for a couple of other programs. ...I may be forced to go
> that route).
>
> At this point I am becoming curious what method you did in fact use,
> since there aren't that many ways to bypass the UAC prompt.
>
> It can also be done with "shims" (see e.g. href=https://www.ghacks.net/2010/07/08/get-rid-of-uac-prompts-with-microsofts-application-compatibility-toolkit/>https://www.ghacks.net/2010/07/08/get-rid-of-uac-prompts-with-microsofts-application-compatibility-toolkit/)
> but that requires the ACT which you'd probably remember having had to
> install.
>
> Cheers,
> Liviu

Liviu,

Well, this is something. It appears that I've overlooked quite a bit (for how long, I do not know). First, I must admit that I'm not a Windows administrator (by hobby or profession). So here is what I did: I adjusted the User Account Control settings to each level (they were initially set to Default -- the second highest level [3 = Highest, 0 = None]). I then successively opened a range of applications as Administrator (i.e. Run As Admin).

NONE of them prompted me with a UAC dialog irrespective of level. I then launched several other applications: 1) as merely User, and 2) as Administrator. Nothing. Finally, I opened the file location for ZTreeWin (ZTW.EXE and ZTW64.EXE) and ran them 1) as User, and 2) as Admin. I did the same with the Console or CMD. No UAC prompts.

I am at a loss to explain this behavior. My preference has generally been to sacrifice convenience at the expense of security, but not ridiculously so. Thus, my choice of 2 for the default setting. Until now, I have not noticed this UAC behavior (not prompting me at elevated privilege). So, I'm as confused about this as anyone. As I said, I'm not an expert at UAC or other administrative features, but I suspect there is another setting somewhere that is circumventing the UAC setting entirely. Other than that, your guess is as good (or likely much better) than mine.

Thank you for the ghacks.net link. This should resolve my initial request for a fix to skip Windows 10 UAC prompts.

SJ

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[Q] Category Acronyms.

June 11, 2019, 12:14 pm
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Post by Steven James, Jun 11,2019 at 19:14:

All,

I recently (erroneously?) posted a question under the "Help!" category when I probably should have used "Q" -- although I don't know that for certain. Can someone point me to a source that describes each category acronym (such as ZEP, Zeta, and so forth) so that I can get it right in the future?

Thanks,

SJ

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[Forum] Category Acronyms.

June 11, 2019, 1:36 pm
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Reply from Liviu, Jun 11,2019 at 20:36:

> Can someone point me to a source that describes each category acronym
> (such as ZEP, Zeta, and so forth) so that I can get it right in the future?

You are looking for http://www.ztw3.com/forum/help.php. The page is actually linked from the small "?" question mark next to the "category" dropdown at the far right end of the top bar, though that's easy to miss.

Cheers,
Liviu

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Thanks!

June 11, 2019, 2:02 pm
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Reply from Steven James, Jun 11,2019 at 21:02:

SJ.

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[Help!] Skip UAC Running ZTW (Admin)?

June 12, 2019, 7:48 am
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Reply from Andrew Penfold, Jun 12,2019 at 14:48:

> Well, this is something. It appears that I've overlooked quite a bit
> (for how long, I do not know). First, I must admit that I'm not a
> Windows administrator (by hobby or profession). So here is what I did: I
> adjusted the User Account Control settings to each level (they were
> initially set to Default -- the second highest level [3 = Highest, 0 =
> None]). I then successively opened a range of applications as
> Administrator (i.e. Run As Admin).
>
> NONE of them prompted me with a UAC dialog irrespective of level. I
> then launched several other applications: 1) as merely User, and 2) as
> Administrator. Nothing. Finally, I opened the file location for ZTreeWin
> (ZTW.EXE and ZTW64.EXE) and ran them 1) as User, and 2) as Admin. I did
> the same with the Console or CMD. No UAC prompts.
>
> I am at a loss to explain this behavior. My preference has generally
> been to sacrifice convenience at the expense of security, but not
> ridiculously so. Thus, my choice of 2 for the default setting. Until
> now, I have not noticed this UAC behavior (not prompting me at elevated
> privilege). So, I'm as confused about this as anyone. As I said, I'm
> not an expert at UAC or other administrative features, but I suspect
> there is another setting somewhere that is circumventing the UAC setting
> entirely. Other than that, your guess is as good (or likely much better)
> than mine.
>
> Thank you for the ghacks.net link. This should resolve my initial
> request for a fix to skip Windows 10 UAC prompts.
>
> SJ


If you are logged into Windows as BUILTINAdministrator, then by default, UAC prompts don't appear. All processes you run are running with full administrative privileges. This can be overridden by a group policy setting (Start --> Administrative Tools --> Local Security Policy --> Local Policies --> Security Options --> User Account Control: Admin Approval Mode for the Built In Administrator Account). Enabling this means the built-in Administrator account will get UAC prompts.

However, you have said that you launched several applications, including some as a standard user, so that implies that you were logged into Windows as a standard user to begin with.

Or maybe you are logged into Windows as an admin (not the built-in one) but the policy "User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode" has been set to Disabled.

Just some things to check.

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[Q] Using Ztree on a Mac (quickly)?

June 17, 2019, 5:52 am
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Post by Dan LeGate, Jun 17,2019 at 12:52:

Hi all,

I use VMware Fusion on my own Mac which allows me to log my Mac HD through sharing, but when I'm troubleshooting other Macs I would love to be able to quickly fire up a Ztree instance to explore its HD, and installing VMware (or other VM software) ain't quick, nor non-intrusive.

Does anyone have a quick way (via USB stick, perhaps) of running something like a portable Wine/Ztree to be able to troubleshoot Mac clients quickly?

Would love to hear how others do this, if at all.

Thanks!

Dan

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[Help!] Skip UAC Running ZTW (Admin)?

June 20, 2019, 2:33 pm
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Reply from Bill Kingsbury, Jun 20,2019 at 21:33:

> ... On my older system running Windows 7 (Ult.), I'm able to run ZTreeWin
> as Admin without a UAC prompt. Under Windows 10, I'm again back to the
> UAC prompt. Can someone tell me how I may have set ZTreeWin (or other) to
> skip the UAC?
>
> I don't remember ever creating a whitelist using Task Scheduler or
> similar to accomplish this. Can anyone tell me what I missing here?
>

See this post - http://www.ztw3.com/forum/forum_entry.php?id=116037

... regarding - http://code.kliu.org/misc/elevate/ ... (only 6 kb)


I guess this would also work on Windows 10 - ?


Note - I don't remember what the following detail was about - Quote:

::Add symbolic file
#ZTHomeelevate -c mklink "%j2:%j3%4.%5" "%1"


Bill

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[Wish] TAGS_ONLY macro mnemonic to avoid CTRL_F4 toggle

June 21, 2019, 1:26 pm
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Post by Graeme Hoose, Jun 21,2019 at 20:26:

I would like to ensure a known state without having to exit the current window. As it is, we need different command strings for different windows:

For FW : ESC,ESC,ENTER,CTRL_F4,
For BSG : ESC,ESC,CTRL_B/S/G,

A "TAGS_ONLY" mnemonic would avoid uncertain behaviour.

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[Help!] Skip UAC Running ZTW (Admin)?

June 21, 2019, 1:39 pm
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Reply from Steven James, Jun 21,2019 at 20:39:

> See this post - http://www.ztw3.com/forum/forum_entry.php?id=116037
>
> ... regarding - http://code.kliu.org/misc/elevate/ ... (only 6 kb)
>
> I guess this would also work on Windows 10 - ?
>
> Note - I don't remember what the following detail was about - Quote:
>
> ::Add symbolic file
> #ZTHomeelevate -c mklink "%j2:%j3%4.%5" "%1"
>

All,

I'm attempting to execute a batch file, ZX.CMD, that I posted here: http://www.ztw3.com/forum/forum_entry.php?id=120072 some time ago.

I'm invoking it as a desktop link without Admin privileges as follows [the resultant command line is: "D:ZtreeWinZTW64.EXE" /ZB /ZD /ZF /ZM /T"STEVEN JAMES: ZTW64.EXE" /COLS:MAX /ROWS:MAX /APIT]:

D:ZTreeWinelevate.exe ZX.CMD /64 /d

This yeilds a UAC prompt for the Command Processor which is, in turn, invoking ZX.CMD. I'm not sure I understand how the following string is properly used to accommodate what I'm trying to do in Win 10:

#ZTHomeelevate.exe - c mklink "%j2:%j3%4.%5" "%1"

Would parameter "%1" not presumably be "ZX.CMD"? It is most likely that I'm missing the point of just how elevate.exe should be used to override UAC.

[The /64 parameter to ZX.CMD is used to invoke ZTW64.EXE (over ZTW.EXE) and /d is merely to temporarily debug the ZX.CMD parameters themselves.]

Any suggestions/clarification?

SJ

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[Wish] TAGS_ONLY macro mnemonic to avoid CTRL_F4 toggle

June 21, 2019, 11:09 pm
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Reply from Ben Kent, Jun 22,2019 at 06:09:

> I would like to ensure a known state without having to exit the
> current window. As it is, we need different command strings for different
> windows:
>
> For FW : ESC,ESC,ENTER,CTRL_F4,
> For BSG : ESC,ESC,CTRL_B/S/G,
>
> A "TAGS_ONLY" mnemonic would avoid uncertain behaviour.


Graeme

Yes, that would make some macros less messy.


Similarity these special mnemonics could be added
FILEWINDOW Could raise an error depending on CO-2Q and R
DIRECTORYWINDOW


Prompted spell search, could do with a F12 Reset, or a RESET mnemonic.


These need to be added to the help file
CTRL_SH_LEFT
CTRL_SH_RIGHT


Ben

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[Display] ordinal and lots of tagged files

June 21, 2019, 11:36 pm
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Reply from Ben Kent, Jun 22,2019 at 06:36:

With this setup, in case its needed
DISPLAY INFORMATION
Cols 238 Rows 83 List height 77
Files/page 77 Name.ext length 63.4
Screen resolution 1920 x 1080

Doing a [S]howall shows this ordinal, as expected
┤6,158 110,370/113,255├

Escaping, shows this
┤6,───────────────┤1/8├

It appears that not enough of the ordinal is cleared.


Testing on a different drive

Also when over a threshold, then the ordinal gets shifted right by character, so that the bottom right character is wrong.
┤529,732 527,091/529,732├└

And if a number of files are untagged, then it shifts back, but leaves the wrong bottom right character.
┤2,641 527,091/529,732├├└

I'm using split mode, the similar behavior happens in unsplit mode, just the "right" bottom right character different.

Ben

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[Help!] Zipping Not Working

June 22, 2019, 11:50 am
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Post by Walt, Jun 22,2019 at 18:50:

I haven't done any ZIPping since I got on Win10 but it doesn't seem to be working.

When I try to zip, ZTW wants to use Zip/UnZip 3.0/6.0 (3rd entry in ARCHIVER.BB2) rather than the 1st or 2nd entry (PKZip 4.x/5.0 for Windows; PKZip 2.50 for Windows), 2nd of which is in my path. I don't have ZIP/UNZIP

When unzipping, ZTW seems to pick up the first entry.based on the bottom info line. Unzipping works fine.

How do i get zipping back?

Walt

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The case of duplicate history item marks

June 23, 2019, 10:23 am
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Reply from Peter Shute, Jun 23,2019 at 17:23:

> I just tried adding a duplicate mark for my filter history by editing
> ztw.hst. When I started ztree, I can see them both in the list with the
> same mark letter, but when I try to use it, it ignores the one higher in
> the list. (Curiously, the list is in the reverse order of the file.)

That test has come back to bite me. I think I must have duplicated the list two or three times. Recently I've had to redefine some of the Treespec marks I regularly use, and I'm finding I have to hunt through to remove them all before I can reuse them.

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[Help!] Skip UAC Running ZTW (Admin)?

June 23, 2019, 7:34 pm
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Reply from Hartmut Schneider, Jun 24,2019 at 02:34:

> ... that I'm missing the point of just how elevate.exe should be used to
> override UAC.
> Any suggestions/clarification?

From what I've understood and tried,
elevate.exe just elevates the command you give in the command line.
It's as if you right click on a tool then chose 'Run as Administrator'.
It does NOT suppress the UAC prompt.
Instead it forces an UAC prompt (because of requiring elevated rights for the command).

Hartmut

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[Wish] TAGS_ONLY macro mnemonic to avoid CTRL_F4 toggle

June 23, 2019, 7:58 pm
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Reply from Hartmut Schneider, Jun 24,2019 at 02:58:

> Similarly these special mnemonics could be added
> FILEWINDOW Could raise an error depending on CO-2Q and R
> DIRECTORYWINDOW

Sounds helpful.


> Prompted spell search, could do with a F12 Reset, or a RESET mnemonic.

Wouldn't CTRL_BKSP after '|' be sufficient?
Had a short try using macro recording (|,CTRL_BKSP,dirname,RET), and it seems to work.


> These need to be added to the help file
> CTRL_SH_LEFT
> CTRL_SH_RIGHT

Just curious: What do these key-combos do?
Are they needed within ZTree?  Or for passing them to a ZAAP?

Hartmut

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[Wish] TAGS_ONLY macro mnemonic to avoid CTRL_F4 toggle

June 24, 2019, 8:44 am
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Reply from Ben Kent, Jun 24,2019 at 15:44:

> > Similarly these special mnemonics could be added
> > FILEWINDOW Could raise an error depending on CO-2Q and R
> > DIRECTORYWINDOW
>
> Sounds helpful.
>
>
> > Prompted spell search, could do with a F12 Reset, or a RESET
> mnemonic.
>
> Wouldn't CTRL_BKSP after '|' be sufficient?
> Had a short try using macro recording (|,CTRL_BKSP,dirname,RET), and it
> seems to work.

Thanks for the reminder, I tried a number of things, I should have read "Editing the Input Line" in the help file.


> > These need to be added to the help file
> > CTRL_SH_LEFT
> > CTRL_SH_RIGHT
>
> Just curious: What do these key-combos do?
> Are they needed within ZTree?  Or for passing them to a ZAAP?

Extend selection word left/right when entering text. See the "Ctrl-Left/Right" and Shift sections of "Editing the Input Line" in the help file.

They need to be added to the "3.10 Keyboard Macros" section of the help file.

Ben

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Use A or SH-A

June 24, 2019, 10:13 am
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Reply from Oliver Pretzel, Jun 24,2019 at 17:13:

> When I try to zip, ZTW wants to use Zip/UnZip 3.0/6.0 (3rd entry in
> ARCHIVER.BB2) rather than the 1st or 2nd entry (PKZip 4.x/5.0 for
> Windows; PKZip 2.50 for Windows), 2nd of which is in my path. I don't
> have ZIP/UNZIP
> How do i get zipping back?

When compressing files to archives ZTW remembers the archiver it used last, even across sessions. That is useful if you frequently use an archiver somewhere down the list.

At the prompt which shows the archiver being used A moves to the next archiver in the list and SHIFT-A moves to the previous one.

/Oliver

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Use A or SH-A

June 24, 2019, 11:45 am
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Reply from Walt, Jun 24,2019 at 18:45:

Oh, is that all I needed. Thanks!

What I don't understand is how it remembered I used ZIP when I've never used ZIP. Ever.

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[ZEP] A new % value

June 24, 2019, 11:56 am
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Post by Walt, Jun 24,2019 at 18:56:

I would like to request %c (child) be added to the list of Batch Parameters.

>> Given the directory structure: C:AAABBBCCCDDDEEEFFF
>> CCC is the currently directory
>> %c returns DDDEEEFFF

Potential enhancement:
%c0 returns CCCDDDEEEFFF
%c1 returns DDDEEEFFF
%c2 returns EEEFFF
etc.

Whatcha think?

Walt

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[ZEP] A new % value

June 24, 2019, 12:56 pm
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Reply from Walt, Jun 24,2019 at 19:56:

Just realized I should have mentioned the current file is in FFF, chosen from the BSG list under CCC, so %c returns the path to the file...

That might clear up misunderstandings.

Also, if the file is in EEE of course %c returns DDDEEE

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