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Alt-< and Alt-> could keep commas from disappearing

January 12, 2017, 11:52 pm
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Reply from Doug Borg, Jan 13,2017 at 07:52:

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> A much simpler approach -- I believe the correct one -- would be to simply
> widen the columns affected and not eliminate the standard thousands separator.
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I agree, and I propose the following solution:

In the same manner that the Alt-Up and Alt-Down keystrokes resize the SFW, use the currently available Alt-< (Alt-,) and Alt-> (Alt-.) keystrokes to move the left border of the Statistics Panel in the direction indicated by the second key of the combination.

The current width of the Statistics Panel would become the minimum.

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Excel formatting

January 13, 2017, 6:27 am
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Reply from Peter Shute, Jan 13,2017 at 14:27:

> I view file lists as cells in Excel, so it gives me great pain to look
> at,
> knowing I can't do anything about controlling the colors of each one
> individually :-(

Do you have sizes and dates in separate fields? Do you know you can do Conditional Formatting in Excel? You can set the colour, etc, of each cell depending on its contents.

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Alt-< and Alt-> could keep commas from disappearing

January 13, 2017, 7:32 am
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Reply from Peter Shute, Jan 13,2017 at 15:32:

> In the same manner that the color="#003399">Alt-Up and color="#003399">Alt-Down keystrokes resize the SFW, use
> the currently available Alt-<
> (Alt-,) and color="#003399">Alt-> (Alt-.) keystrokes
> to move the left border of the Statistics Panel in the direction
> indicated by the second key of the combination.

I didn't know you could do that, I don't use SFW much. That key combination sounds logical.

What about a key combination for adjusting the size column of the file and directory windows? Shift+left/right adjust the width of the extension column, but control and alt+left/right seem to be allocated to other things.

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Who uses 25x80?

January 13, 2017, 7:44 am
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Reply from Peter Shute, Jan 13,2017 at 15:44:

I'm interested to know who uses 25x80 mode, and in what situations. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many, but I'd like to know if anyone is relying on it.

> > if we keek thinking in the 25x80 XTree compatibility paradigm,
> > we risk keeping ZTree in the last century and auto-censoring new
> ideas
> > -- and stealth ZEPs like this one

I suppose it is a stealth ZEP, but I'd be happy with the simplest workaround for now. But this is definitely something that needs to be dealt with. Maximum drive and file sizes are growing, and always will.

> good point - the largest step into future was the resizable console
> mode
> that ZTree uses for 15 years now! (since Nov,2001 I think)

We should go through the change list, and have regular "this week x years ago" discussions.

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[ZEP] Set Env variable when Open or Alt-Open

January 13, 2017, 7:45 am
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Post by David Wall, Jan 13,2017 at 15:45:

I'd like to request that Ztree set an Environment Variable whenever a set of external commands is selected - as follows:
1. Open - No EV is set - normal operation
2. Alt-Open - Set %#ZTOpen% to ALT
3. Ctl-Open - Set %#ZTOpen% to CTL see below

additionally

4. Execute - No EV is set - normal operation
5. Alt-Exec - Set %#ZTExec% to ALT
6. Ctl-Exec - Set %#ZTEXEC% to CTL see below

(I know there is already a #ZTExe% EV but lets be fair - if you don't use the correct EV in your batch file then it won't work as expected) and you'd correct it.

Below:
Why have I included Ctl Open & Ctl Exec - I am suggesting a change in operation of both of these Ctl key functions.

Have a new configuration option that allows the Ctl Key to be used for both Open & Execute without actually having ANY line item tagged.
Suggest say - Ctl Key operates on untagged line item (as if it was tagged).

If the Ctl-Open or Ctl-Exec are pressed (and the above config option is YES) then:
If ANY line items are tagged - operation is as normal.
If NO line items are tagged - operation takes place on currently selected line item.

This - in conjunction with setting an Environment Variable - would allow greater flexibility in the use of batch files - certainly for me.
I need the ability to know if either the Ctl or Alt key has been used to Open or Execute a file (or group of files) and thus an EV can be tested in the batch file (xtn.BAT) and different actions performed.

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[Discuss] 21 years of Ztree this year

January 13, 2017, 7:55 am
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Post by Peter Shute, Jan 13,2017 at 15:55:

I believe Ztree was launched in June 1996. Was the 20 year anniversary mentioned last year?

And Xtree was launched April '85. Was the 30 year anniversary mentioned?

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Excel formatting

January 13, 2017, 10:22 am
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Reply from Slobodan Vujnovic, Jan 13,2017 at 18:22:

> Do you have sizes and dates in separate fields? Do you know you can do
> Conditional Formatting in Excel? You can set the colour, etc, of each
> cell depending on its contents.

You misunderstood, yes, my wording is ambiguous.

I am not importing anything into Excel, I meant to say that I think of the
File Window in ZTree as rows and columns, because the filespec, size, attributes,
dates and time fields align so perfectly, as in a spreadsheet. That makes
the whole display very readable vertically. But coloring only works at the
line or row level.

Yes, Excel can color conditionally, and so does ZTree (via ZCOLORS.INI), but only
entire "rows", not "cells". With today's fast machines, coloring at a finer
level (the segments that make up the line) should not be a performance hit.
It does not involve any I/O, just repainting the screen.

The ZCOLORS.INI format does not have to change a bit. If you are happy with
today's coloring, just leave it as is.

However, the coloring rules would ALL be applied in sequence, coloring would
not stop after the first match, as it does today.

There would be a miximum of 5 or 6 rules per .INI file (for each part of the line).
Test would quickly reveal a performance impact, so the user decides what is
to be colored by having 0 or more rules in the .INI file.

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Who uses 25x80?

January 13, 2017, 10:45 am
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Reply from Slobodan Vujnovic, Jan 13,2017 at 18:45:

> I'm interested to know who uses 25x80 mode, and in what situations.
> I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many, but I'd like to know if
> anyone is relying on it.

I use 25x80 for capturing screens, because of the familiarity. It's usually
sufficient to illustrate an idea. But doing something useful - no way.

I have 3 ZTree sessions running at all times, with the following geometries:
Cols 152 Rows 54 List height 48
Cols 186 Rows 70 List height 64
Cols 210 Rows 82 List height 76

and their corresponding coloring files invoked on the command line:
C:ZTWZCOLORS_Black.INI
C:ZTWZCOLORS_Green.INI
C:ZTWZCOLORS_Blue.INI

Everything is maximized, I never resize. I cycle through them via a
hot key defined in AutoHotkey, but sometimes use Alt+TAB.

With the geometries I use, widening the size column by 4 or 8 would hardly
be noticeable because of the huge horizontal empty space (for the large
majority of files).

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[Discuss] 21 years of Ztree this year

January 13, 2017, 11:01 am
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Reply from Ben Kent, Jan 13,2017 at 19:01:

> I believe Ztree was launched in June 1996. Was the 20 year
> anniversary mentioned last year?
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> And Xtree was launched April '85. Was the 30 year anniversary
> mentioned?

I don't remember either of those anniversaries being mentioned on this forum.
That is a shame, please correct me if I am wrong.

XTree
I think I used it in the 1994-2000 time frame, it helped me to do jobs difficult with other tools.
Has someone tried to contact Jeffrey C. Johnson to congratulate him on his pioneering work?

ZTree
We moved into a 32 bit world.
Then I discovered ZTree
A bit later I did a large contribution to the ZTree help file, I went thought every function to ensure it was in the help file and was in the keyboard mapping table (sorry for blowing own trumpet).
John Gruener has followed me with better help file prose.
So now the ZTW.HLP file is 457KB, whereas with ztw141 it was 29KB.
Plus all the work that Kim Henkel has done done to improve ZTree (core improvements: 64 bit, UNICODE and lots of functional improvements)
So lots of change


Ben

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[ZEP] Increasing number of colours on screen.

January 14, 2017, 2:01 pm
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Post by David Wall, Jan 14,2017 at 22:01:

Given that Windows 10 now supports 24bit colour values for Console Programs - can we see an increase from the standard 16 background & foreground colours in Ztree.

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[ZEP] Increasing number of colours on screen.

January 15, 2017, 12:31 am
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Reply from Ben Kent, Jan 15,2017 at 08:31:

> Given that Windows 10 now supports 24bit colour values for Console
> Programs - can we see an increase from the standard 16 background &
> foreground colours in Ztree.

I expect that it depends on how hard the code changes would be, some investigations below.


o. Colours

Doing some web searching, finds this http://superuser.com/questions/413073/windows-console-with-ansi-colors-handling
So with Legacy mode off, conhost.exe supports ANSI escapes.

An example of what it might look like when legacy mode=on is here https://github.com/composer/composer/issues/5323#issuecomment-220871883

So if ZTree was going to support ANSI colours, then some fallback will be needed for cases when legacy mode=on or when running on older OS's. That could be done by keeping the current configuration and adding an extra ANSI colour mode and configurations sections.

This can be used to detect the mode
GetConsoleMode https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms683167(v=vs.85).aspx ENABLE_VIRTUAL_TERMINAL_PROCESSING flag.

These parts of ZTree will need to be modified
Alt-F6: Cycle between the colorization...
Alt-F10, F4: colour configuration
ZCOLORS.INI: file and directory colorization configuration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code
shows what can be done with ANSI escapes.

And here shows what Windows 10 supports, which includes both the 256 colours and 24 bit RGB colour modes
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/mt638032(v=vs.85).aspx

ZTree would need to detect if ENABLE_VIRTUAL_TERMINAL_PROCESSING is enabled, and switch to ANSI mode, if the ANSI modes are configured in the ZTree configuration.
Not sure how hard it would be to support both modes in the code.
Also I don't know if you can mix the old and new modes, if they can be mixed then there would be less code that would need changing, i.e. just use the ANSI escapes for the high colour codes, if the two modes cannot be mixed, then all of the screen handing would need to be modified, which depending on how it is currently done might be easy, or very hard.

o. Console size

If ZTree is going to take advantage of the extra Windows 10 console features, then the dynamic console size support could be added, i.e. what is currently done with Alt-F7/F8/F9 could also be done by resizing the console and letting ZTree redraw into the selected size.

The ENABLE_WINDOW_INPUT flag, the ReadConsoleInput API and a WINDOW_BUFFER_SIZE_EVENT event.

To see what I mean install unixtree in Linux.


Ben

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 15, 2017, 2:28 am
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Post by BernhardT, Jan 15,2017 at 10:28:

Hi
because i still love rpVT, i tried to get it work with ZT64.

Finaly i got ZT64 v2.4.169 togehter with rpVT b424

Starting with
[Zeta] v2.4.31
rpVT synced ZT, but did not find zbar.dat
because of
"Change- %APPDATA%ZTreeWin searched prior to %#ZTHome% for user files"

My solution:
Copy rpVT into %APPDATA%ZTreeWin

Any better "trick"?
Best Regards

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 15, 2017, 4:58 am
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Reply from Steve Fields, Jan 15,2017 at 12:58:

I apologize, but what is rpVT? and where is the download?

I only lurk about here nowadays, and must have missed something somewhere along the lines these past 16+ years !

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 15, 2017, 9:24 am
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Reply from Slobodan Vujnovic, Jan 15,2017 at 17:24:

Start here, but further links are broken...

http://www.ztree.com/html/zaap.htm

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 15, 2017, 10:23 am
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Reply from Steve Fields, Jan 15,2017 at 18:23:

Thank you, Slobodan!

All I get is :

"Deze website is binnenkort beschikbaar..."

I do remember [rpVT] now, but never had the use for it!


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> Start here, but further links are
> broken...
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> http://www.ztree.com/html/zaap.htm

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 15, 2017, 10:49 am
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Reply from Slobodan Vujnovic, Jan 15,2017 at 18:49:

> All I get is :
> "Deze website is binnenkort beschikbaar..."
> I do remember [rpVT] now, but never had the use for it!

I know, maybe Laurent will respond...

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[Discuss] 21 years of Ztree this year

January 15, 2017, 1:27 pm
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Reply from Donald_SBC, Jan 15,2017 at 21:27:

> I believe Ztree was launched in June 1996. Was the 20 year
> anniversary mentioned last year?
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> And Xtree was launched April '85. Was the 30 year anniversary
> mentioned?

http://www.jeffreycjohnson.com For the XTree author. He has a contact me link.

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeWin

January 15, 2017, 11:39 pm
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Reply from Graeme Hoose, Jan 16,2017 at 07:39:

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> Finaly i got ZT64 v2.4.169 togehter with rpVT b424
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Hi guys,
I thought A411 was the final release. My copy is dated 9-Aug-2006. Where can I get b424, assuming it's a later version?

Graeme

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[rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64

January 16, 2017, 11:20 am
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Reply from BernhardT, Jan 16,2017 at 19:20:

Dear secret Fan's

first of all a Warning: rpVT is only useful for
* keyboard maniacs *
* bit & HEX related cheeks *
* folks who are aware that rpVT has been developed many (~11) years ago *

Here you will find more about it:
look on second top line, right of oIndex there is a field "all categries"
choose drop down "rpVT" -> here you will find most interesting posts

latest rpVT: (thank you Liviu)
http://www.ztw3.com/forum/forum_entry.php?id=106324

have fun
Bernhard

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[OT] [rpVT] rpVT & ZTreeW64.

January 16, 2017, 12:23 pm
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Reply from Christopher, Jan 16,2017 at 20:23:

Off topic, but: Steve, where is Bill Morrow these days - ?


> I only lurk about here nowadays, and must have missed something
> somewhere along the lines these past 16+ years !

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